Election integrity is crucial to a functioning nation. Individuals should know that their elections are being carried out pretty and that their votes depend.
Sadly, many have purpose to assume our elections aren’t safe.
Deroy Murdock, a Fox Information contributor and senior fellow on the Atlas Community, says he sees election integrity and voter fraud as points that may decide the continued existence of America as we all know it.
“We are able to’t even tolerate the looks of vote fraud, as a result of even the mere look of vote fraud causes folks to lose confidence in our management and in our system,” says Murdock, whose columns seem repeatedly in The Each day Sign. “And fairly quickly, our constitutional republic begins to dissolve.”
Murdock joins “The Each day Sign Podcast” to debate the difficulty of fresh and sincere elections, and the way we are able to make them safer.
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Doug Blair: My visitor as we speak is Deroy Murdock, a Fox Information contributor and senior fellow on the Atlas Community. Deroy, welcome to the present.
Deroy Murdock: Doug, nice to be with you.
Blair: I wish to discuss to you about election integrity. You gave a speech at The Heritage Basis about among the wild intricacies of how election integrity has fallen by the wayside in America lately. The place do you see that as being the most important drawback?
Murdock: Effectively, it’s an enormous drawback in loads of states the place individuals are not doing what they should do with a view to be sure that our elections are clear, sincere, dependable. I believe loads of this, sadly, got here out of the COVID emergency.
And other people on the left mentioned, “Effectively, we are able to’t have folks go to the polls as a result of they could get sick or they could get folks sick. So let’s have mass mail-in ballots so folks can keep at house. And we are able to’t count on them to show their votes over on the election board so we’re going to have poll harvesting so we’ll go choose up their ballots for them. And we’ll have drop packing containers. They’ll drop their ballots in these unsupervised packing containers, perhaps at 3 within the morning in order that they received’t get COVID.”
… As Rahm Emanuel, former mayor of Chicago, mentioned, “By no means let an excellent disaster go to waste.” And boy, they didn’t. And so they weaponized this illness to alter the way in which we vote. And sadly, now, loads of that stuff nonetheless sticks.
There’s been an effort by some states to roll again a few of this nonsense. Loads of us worry that there’s going to be what we name the “midterm variant.” Proper about Labor Day, there’ll be one other variant of COVID they usually’ll say, “Oh my God, we received to lock the factor down.”
And so they’ll say, “Effectively, we received to do the mass mail-in ballots,” and undergo all of the nonsense we did in 2020 that tainted that election, I believe, actually, fatally.
However I hope that we are going to recover from this nonsense, get COVID behind us, and get the COVID-related very unfavorable modifications in our voting system behind us and within the historical past books and return to what we needs to be doing, which is as a lot as doable vote in particular person.
For those who’re going to vote absentee, it’s since you’re truly sick otherwise you’re out of city, not simply since you really feel prefer it. And we’re going to have the ballots are available—until they’re within the navy or one thing like that. All of the ballots have gotten to be in election evening, not two weeks after or two and a half weeks, simply drifting in each time they wish to.
And we actually want to return to the idea of Election Day, the place you rise up on Election Day, get off your BarcaLounger, placed on some garments, and go down and vote along with your neighbors. And determine who’s going to be your mayor, who’s going to be your governor, who’s your congressman, who’s your senator, and who’s the president of the US.
Moderately than what we’ve received now, which is you keep house. You vote in a bathrobe, or perhaps with a towel round your waist. It’s simply one other informal exercise. It’s not that essential. Who cares?
And I believe the entire high quality of our democracy suffers when folks assume voting is simply one thing you do whilst you’re ready for dinner to be served relatively than one thing that you simply take severely and also you and your neighbors go and determine who’s going to steer this constitutional republic of ours.
Blair: Deroy, there was so much to unpack there. I wish to begin with a few of these insurance policies that you simply talked about. It seems like these are insurance policies which have been deliberately created to make voter fraud or election irregularities simpler to propagate. Is that correct, that it’s intentional?
Murdock: I believe so. Now, some folks will say, “Effectively, these folks actually meant nicely they usually simply had been attempting to maintain folks from getting contaminated.” I believe that’s perhaps the harmless clarification.
My sense is that there are individuals who need to have the ability to make life as simple to cheat and maintain the system loosey-goosey and unfocused and never buttoned up. And that makes it so much simpler to cheat, so much simpler to steal elections. And I believe that there are individuals who do this.
I additionally assume, even when there are sincere folks they usually imply nicely, that this kind of factor only a naked minimal creates the notion of vote fraud.
And even when there is no such thing as a precise vote fraud, however folks assume, “Oh boy, that appears fishy,” then you definitely take a look at the one who advantages from it, the person who was elected, and also you assume, “Oh, that’s probably not the president United States. That’s probably not my senator. That’s not my governor—or no matter it’s.”
And I don’t assume we are able to tolerate vote fraud. We are able to’t even tolerate the looks of vote fraud as a result of even the mere look of vote fraud causes folks to lose confidence in our management and in our system. And fairly quickly our constitutional republic begins to dissolve.
Blair: The secondary angle to that was this concept that voting has turn out to be one thing you do whilst you’ve gotten out of the bathe. Like, “Oh shoot, I forgot to vote. I’ll simply fill out my poll actually shortly.” How does that concept, that voting has turn out to be a extra informal exercise, have an effect on the voting course of?
Murdock: I believe what it does is that individuals simply take it much less severely.
If you recognize you’re going to go on Election Day—not three weeks earlier than Election Day or early voting or all this different nonsense, however you’re going to go on Election Day—and also you and your neighbors are going to go to someplace, whether or not it’s the hearth station or the elementary faculty or the church basement, wherever you go, and also you vote, I believe you are taking it extra severely in case you’re going to go on the market and bodily go current your self and vote.
And I believe you’re in all probability going to analysis extra. I believe you’re going to have a look at the poll propositions extra, assume extra fastidiously in regards to the candidates who’re aiming to signify you.
Versus in case you’re simply sitting round within the simple chair along with your toes up on the ottoman, pondering, “Oh, nicely, I learn the sports activities web page and I’m about to look at some thrilling drama on Netflix. So I’ve received 10 minutes earlier than the factor begins. So let me fill out my poll actual fast.” I don’t assume it’s actually a manner we must be working as a folks.
There’s additionally one other huge drawback with this enterprise of what the Democrats and the left actually have performed. They prefer to say, “Oh, the Republicans are beating up our democracy.” Look, there’s nothing extra central to democracy than the key poll.
Going into the polls, you shut the curtain behind you, and it’s solely you and the poll. Your boss isn’t there. Your husband’s not there. Your spouse’s not there. Your boyfriend, girlfriend, youngsters, grandkids, no person’s there however you. And also you choose the particular person or the folks you wish to signify you and also you vote sure/no on regardless of the poll measures are.
While you vote at house, you’re sitting there and you might have your husband or spouse or anyone saying, “Effectively, in case you vote for that particular person, I’m going to clock you over the top with a skillet,” or, “Grandpa, in case you don’t vote the way in which we wish, we’re not going to provide you any penicillin for a pair days. Let’s see how you are feeling.” You don’t have to be placing folks in that scenario.
Hillary Clinton mentioned that the explanation she misplaced in 2016 is loads of pro-Trump husbands pressured their wives to not vote for her. And lots of people laughed.
I believe it’s in all probability extra paranoia, however I guess you there could also be some examples of some husbands that mentioned, “Honey, you vote for Hillary, you’re in huge bother.” And there are in all probability some individuals who mentioned, “Honey, you vote for [Donald] Trump, you’re in bother.” You don’t need that scenario. You don’t want that.
And perhaps it’s not, “I’m going to knock you over the top with a pipe.” It’d simply be, “I don’t wish to be grumbled at and have anyone make faces at me for the subsequent 4 years, so I’m not going to vote the way in which I might in any other case,” or what have you ever.
Folks shouldn’t be working below that sort of stress. Folks shouldn’t be voting at house with that sort of nonsense happening.
I do know anyone who had accompanied a voting get together in California. And so they had everybody from the workplace are available and sit across the convention desk and fill out their absentee ballots.
This particular person is married to anyone who’s not an American citizen, she’s a citizen of a rustic abroad. And so they handed her a poll and she or he truly thought, “Effectively, gee, I may fill this out and vote on this election.” And to her credit score, she mentioned, “No, I’m not an American citizen so I’m not going to vote.”
However she had each alternative proper there with a poll that I believe had been an absentee poll that anyone discovered it simply sitting round. As a result of it was mailed to anyone, that particular person moved away or died, and that particular person’s poll was there and mentioned, “Hey, you wish to take part, too?”
And if she wished to, she may have crammed out that poll and despatched it in. And she or he would’ve voted it within the final election, in 2020, though she’s not an American citizen.
That is absurd. That is horrible. This must cease—and this enterprise of simply sending out ballots as in the event that they had been confetti, having them land subsequent to folks’s mailboxes as a result of they’re not there, they’ve moved away.
So, the put up workplace drops them off and the folks both choose them up or they pull them out of the trash. In the event that they’re good residents, they mail them again or they tear them in half to allow them to’t be used. However I’ve little question folks picked them up, mentioned, “Oh, good. I can vote two or 3 times for president now.”
And particularly with issues like drop packing containers. You don’t need to go and hand this right into a ballot employee on the polls. Put it within the drop field at 4 within the morning and no person’s any the wiser.
There’s a film popping out by Dinesh D’Souza known as “2,000 Mules.” I imagine it premieres Could 2, if I’m not mistaken. And it’s about this precise drawback.
Apparently, they’ve safety footage of parents who had been going as much as these unsupervised drop packing containers and dropping in not one or two ballots—mother’s poll, grandpa’s poll—however no, a fistful, fistful of ballots being stuffed into these drop packing containers.
And these folks had been driving round and going to dropbox A, dropbox B, dropbox C, and simply stuffing in simply handfuls of ballots. And so they had been ready to make use of each the safety footage and likewise cellphone monitoring information to observe these folks round.
And I’ve not seen the film but, however I’m trying ahead to it. And what I sense is it reveals a really, very elaborate conspiracy to stuff the poll field on behalf of the left.
… Look, I believe in case you may simply transfer round 44,000, 45,000 votes in simply the appropriate states, it goes from a Trump victory to a Biden victory. And it’s completely believable that these folks stuffed the poll field and received Joe Biden into the White Home that manner.
Blair: To play satan’s advocate for a second, let’s assume that did occur and that we’re seeing this huge quantity of voter fraud. Are there not prevention measures when the ballots are counted to say, “Oh, nicely, this particular person isn’t a citizen, so their poll shouldn’t depend,” or, “This particular person’s useless, that shouldn’t depend”? Is there any type of prevention to be sure that doesn’t occur?
Murdock: Effectively, it’s restricted. A few of that stuff may be capable to be caught, however if you put in—
I’ve truly seen in Colorado a pair years in the past, once they moved to all mail ballots, the signature verify, I believe folks have the thought of their heads that individuals are taking the poll with a signature and evaluating it to the poll that’s on vote rolls, and getting a magnifying glass out and a measuring tape and all.
No, these items fly by way of in a short time.
Have you ever ever seen the machines that the put up workplace makes use of to cancel stamps, and also you see the letters simply flying by way of at high pace? OK. It’s like that.
So it’s not graphologist A and graphologist B trying on the signature on the poll and the signature that’s on the vote rolls. It’s not like that. These ballots are going by like this. And on election evening, they’re going by like so, and good luck catching something like that.
To make issues even worse, in some states, the way in which these methods work, they may take a look at a signature they usually evaluate, I suppose, the scale of the curves and the loops and the angles. And so they’ll say, “OK, nicely, the signature on the absentee poll is 85% just like the one which’s on the information.”
They really lowered in some states, lowered the similarity required to ensure that the poll to be accepted from 90% just like 80% related all the way down to 70% or 60%. And so they had been reducing the similarity degree to make it simpler for a signature that didn’t match to be accepted.
Once more, why would you do this until you’re attempting to make it simple for folks to cheat?
Blair: Now, as one other widespread chorus we hear amongst the left, they are saying, “Possibly there’s voter fraud, but it surely’s not widespread, proper? These aren’t widespread voter fraud incidents which are occurring, it’s remoted incidents.” What are your ideas on that?
Murdock: Yeah. There’s this notion that, “Effectively, there’s no widespread vote fraud.” OK. No. 1, how a lot is appropriate? Ten thousand fraudulent ballots—is that widespread sufficient so now we have an issue? 100 thousand ballots? 1,000,000? Ten million? Please give me a quantity the place you’ll be able to say, “Yeah, the vote fraud’s widespread, so it’s an issue.”
They’ve by no means given any indication of what their tolerance for widespreadedness is, in case you use that time period.
The second is that you simply don’t want widespread vote fraud, notably speaking a couple of presidential election.
You don’t need to have fraud from Malibu to Montauk and from Seattle all the way in which all the way down to Key West. You mainly want fraud in a handful of cities. In Atlanta; in Las Vegas; Madison, Wisconsin; Milwaukee, Wisconsin; Philadelphia; Pittsburgh; … and doubtless Detroit.
For those who can have fraud in simply these locations, what you do is you pump up the vote for the dishonest candidate—sadly, often Democrat.
And as these numbers go up, you find yourself profitable not simply that metropolis, you win that complete state. As a result of there are sufficient members there, so that you win the state, Electoral School being winner-take-all. And in case you simply have the fraud in these locations, you get sufficient Electoral School votes, you win the election.
So there’s no purpose to have, right here’s our Washington state fraud program and right here’s our New Mexico fraud program, you simply want it in these 4, 5, six swing states. And in case you can swing these cities, or typically simply these precincts, with large enough numbers, you up profitable the entire state, all of the electoral votes. And when you hit 270, you get the Oval Workplace.
Blair: You talked about, throughout your speech at The Heritage Basis, Georgia for example of how this might presumably play out. Would you be capable to go in-depth about how that may’ve labored?
Murdock: Completely. Effectively, I consult with an excellent guide known as “Our Damaged Elections” written by John Fund of Nationwide Overview and likewise Hans von Spakovsky, your colleague right here at The Heritage Basis.
They wrote a superb guide, which offers with each the 2020 election, particularly, and electoral election fraud, vote fraud extra broadly. And so they get into the historical past of vote fraud going again into the twentieth century, perhaps even the nineteenth century, if I bear in mind accurately.
However they’ve a particular chapter the place they get into the entire mess in Georgia. And it’s good to bear in mind how small the margin of victory was for Joe Biden, 11,769 votes, slightly below 12,000 votes. And so they listing this unbelievable sequence in that chapter of issues that went actually fairly sideways in Georgia. And simply maintain that quantity, slightly below 12,000, in thoughts.
And listed below are the issues that happened, amongst others: 13 unregistered folks voted with absentee ballots; 92 folks solid absentee ballots earlier than they even requested them—how’s that doable?; 217 folks voted by way of absentee ballots that had been utilized for, issued, and obtained all the identical day. Wow, that’s a extremely excessive degree of public service. Isn’t it?
2,423 folks voted who weren’t on Georgia’s voter rolls, in order that they shouldn’t have voted in any respect; 2,560 felons solid ballots earlier than their voting rights had been restored—they shouldn’t have voted both; 2,664 absentee ballots had been despatched out earlier than the primary day that they might be distributed legally. That ought to not have occurred. This could not have occurred.
10,315 useless folks voted on Election Day. And amongst them, 8,718 had been registered as useless earlier than their ballots had been accepted. So these ballots mustn’t have gone out within the first place. After which 305,701 people utilized for absentee ballots after the 180-day pre-election deadline.
Now, in case you add all that up, we’re speaking 323,985 fraudulent votes. Virtually 324,000 fraudulent votes, simply amongst these examples. Now, do you assume it’s doable Joe Biden was capable of extract 11,769 ballots amongst these, which was his margin of victory in Georgia? I believe that’s completely doable and I believe that’s truly what occurred.
Blair: So we’re saying that it’s not only a matter of, oh, this can be a native election occurring. It might be that normal, it might be a presidential election?
Murdock: Completely, appropriate. Which is a part of the issue, is you may say, “Effectively, look, it’s simply native. Who cares? Folks in Georgia are going to do no matter they do.” Effectively, it might come all the way down to these folks in Georgia being the decisive issue within the election.
We actually noticed within the 12 months 2000, within the Bush versus Gore scenario, your complete presidency got here all the way down to 500—I believe the quantity is 537 votes within the state of Florida.
Now, if 538 votes had gone the opposite manner, Al Gore would’ve been president of the US. I’m positive it will be a really completely different nation than now we have as we speak. Some folks may say for the higher, some folks may say for the worst, however it will’ve been very, very completely different due to the scenario in that one state.
That one state, the state of Florida, was a tail that wagged your complete canine in the US of America.
In order that’s why now we have to have zero tolerance for vote fraud. It’s not cute. It’s not humorous. There’s nothing good about it. And definitely, if you’re coping with the presidential elections, a bit of little bit of vote fraud in a single state can go a great distance, and it might go all the way in which to the White Home.
Blair: When conservatives and Republicans push laws that may assist with voter fraud, resembling, for instance, voter ID, we’re typically accused of being racist or making an attempt to push down on folks’s capacity to vote. What are your ideas on that rhetoric?
Murdock: I believe what’s actually racist is the coverage and the arguments some folks on the left have, loads of Democrats, who say, “Effectively, we simply can’t count on black folks to have voter ID.” What a racist, bigoted, disgusting anti-black factor to say.
I stroll round all day lengthy and I see black of us driving automobiles. Are these folks all driving round with out licenses? I get on planes, I see black folks. Are they not allowed to get on planes with out voter ID?
Once I go to the airport and hop on a airplane—and I journey so much—no person ever says, “Oh, you’re black. You don’t have to indicate a voter ID.” I’ve received to indicate a voter ID similar to each different white particular person or particular person of Hispanic background or Asian background getting the airplane.
So the concept that someway black individuals are simply too confused or silly or disorganized to have the ability to count on them to have the ability to present voter ID on the polls, I believe it’s a deeply bigoted and racist and disgusting notion. And also you hear it out of the mouths of Democrats and the left. You don’t hear it out of the mouths of Republicans and the appropriate.
Blair: So that is extra of a Democratic drawback?
Murdock: In that sense, completely. And the folks on the left and Democrats, “Oh, we communicate out for black folks. We’re the black folks’s finest buddy.” Oh, actually? Effectively, if that’s true, why do you assume we’re that silly that we are able to’t get our fingers on a voter ID?
And by the way in which, it’s humorous how we’re anticipated lately to get your COVID vaccine and present your proof of vaccination. Often if you present your proof of vaccination, you need to present an ID card as nicely.
So the identical Joe Biden who says it’s Jim Crow 2.0 and the equal of Bull Connor and Jefferson Davis, the top of the Confederacy, to count on black folks to indicate ID on the polls, is similar Joe Biden who’s anticipating us all to get our vaccines and present our vaccine playing cards when now we have to enter eating places or do anything.
And in order that’s OK then, with COVID, that’s nice. However in case you count on it on the polls, then you definitely’re similar to George Wallace and the segregationists throughout the Jim Crow period. I imply, the extent of inconsistency and hypocrisy and whole lack of self-awareness on the a part of these folks is actually breathtaking.
Blair: Now, we’ve gotten this acknowledgement that voter fraud and election integrity are points that we have to care about. You talked about a few options on the very high of this interview about what could be performed about it, however what do you assume could be some efficient options we may put into place as we speak that might have an effect on elections going ahead?
Murdock: Effectively, once more, I believe voter ID might be the simplest, and hottest, I ought to say. There’s a ballot by CBS Information in July of final 12 months, and 80% of blacks and 80% of Hispanics favor voter ID. Amongst whites, the assist is 81%. And what’s that additional 1%? Racism, clearly.
However look, that is highly regarded and activists on the left don’t prefer it, however all people thinks voter ID is completely truthful. So simply, are you the one who you say you might be? There’s nothing inappropriate about that. In order that’d be a straightforward factor to do.
Secondly, voter rolls have to be cleaned up. There are voter rolls which have useless folks on them, names of people that’ve moved away—they’ve left the state or moved elsewhere, from one location, west facet of city, east facet of city, no matter it may be. And that must be cleaned up.
That’s required below the so-called “motor voter” legislation and likewise, the Assist America Vote Act. Each these legal guidelines require you to wash up your vote rolls. That needs to be performed typically.
There was pushback by the Division of Justice below [then-President Barack] Obama. Lawyer Basic Eric Holder truly sued the state of Florida once they tried to wash up their voter rolls and take 51,000 useless folks off the voter rolls.
And once more, the motor voter legislation and the Assist America Vote Act, each federal legal guidelines, require that to be performed. And when then [then-Florida] Gov. Rick Scott tried to do that, the legal professional normal, Eric Holder, below Obama got here in to cease him.
Why would you wish to do this until you wish to have a loosey-goosey scenario, which individuals can make the most of and do issues they shouldn’t?
I believe I might put an finish to mass mail-in ballots. In case you are sick otherwise you’re going to be out of city, or you might be paralyzed, or you may have some lack of ability to get to the polls, that’s one factor, nice. We’ll get you an absentee poll. However the concept that we’re simply going to ship … tens of 1000’s, a whole bunch of 1000’s, hundreds of thousands of ballots round, even when folks don’t ask for them, there’s no want for that. That simply creates all types of issues.
I believe associated to that’s this complete enterprise of poll trafficking or poll harvesting. We should always put an finish to that. In case you are infirm and you may’t make it to the polls and also you need your grandson or your uncle or your next-door neighbor to take your poll in, nice.
And when it’s accepted, we should always know the voter’s identify, the identify of the particular person dropping it off, that particular person ought to present ID, and it ought to solely be your shut family members or your neighbors in case you’re shut in, or one thing like that.
This enterprise of individuals coming in with simply handfuls of ballots and dropping them off—OK, listed below are 100 ballots, listed below are 300 ballots, listed below are 500 ballots—we don’t know who these individuals are.
Are they sincere individuals who picked up the ballots and dropped them off or do they sift by way of them and say, “Oh, I don’t like that man. There goes that poll.” “I don’t like this particular person. Oh, OK, it’s not sealed shut. Let me fill in these additional bubbles for these individuals who I wish to see elected after which drop.”
You don’t have any concept of understanding what’s happening right here. Once more, if it’s corrupt, it must cease. If it’s not corrupt but it surely appears humorous, it creates the notion of fraud and that’s not wholesome both.
So I’d begin with these issues. And there are extra spec particular reforms, however at a minimal voter ID, clear up the vote rolls, put an finish to mass mail-in ballots. And I additionally assume we have to get again to Election Day relatively than election month or election quarter.
In 2016, you had folks voting in North Carolina two weeks earlier than the very first Hillary Clinton/Donald J. Trump presidential debate. I believe that’s sick and I believe that’s un-American.
We ought to return to Election Day the place folks vote after you’ve seen the debates, watched the advertisements, learn the articles, and you may go into the polls with a full, clear head of all the professionals and cons in regards to the people who find themselves on the poll after which you decide accordingly.
Blair: As we wrap-up right here, as I believe we’ve seen in polling information and as you simply mentioned a bit of bit right here, if Individuals don’t belief their voting outcomes, in the event that they don’t belief the outcomes of their elections, that has fairly dire penalties for the nation. Do you assume the truth that Individuals are beginning to query the outcomes of their elections, they aren’t assured that their votes are counting, signifies that we’ll begin to see any such laws get handed?
Murdock: Effectively, with a bit of luck, we are going to see this kind of laws handed so folks truly can have faith within the polls.
I believe one of many causes that the 2 senate elections in January went the way in which they did is you had some Republicans who figured, “Effectively, it’s a rigged system and Stacey Abrams rigged it. And [Georgia] Secretary of State [Brad] Raffensperger and [Georgia] Gov. Brian Kemp went alongside. And so my poll’s not going to be counted, so I received’t trouble casting it.”
And also you truly had some folks operating round and saying that kind of factor, which I believed was fully irresponsible. And so I believe that truly lowered GOP turnout, as a result of they figured, “Why waste my time voting if my poll’s not going to be solid?”
Once more, that’s not good for the system if folks assume that kind of factor. So I believe we do need to get again to a system the place folks can think about the system itself. And so they may say, “Effectively, look, I’m glad my candidate received,” or, “I’m sorry my candidate misplaced,” however at the very least we each, losers and winners, can say, “All proper, it was a good course of. It was not a rigged system. It was a good, simply, clear, and sincere system.” And all of us can stroll away, some happier than others, however all of us glad that the system itself is OK. I don’t assume we’re there now.
And if now we have one other election like we had in 2020, it’s going to be even worse. And confidence within the American constitutional republic will proceed to dissolve even additional.
Blair: That was Deroy Murdock, a Fox Information contributor and senior fellow on the Atlas Community. Deroy, very a lot recognize your time.
Murdock: Nice to be with you. Thanks very a lot.
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