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On this episode of “Motion Memos,” host Kelly Hayes talks with Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha, creator of The Future is Disabled: Prophecies, Love Notes and Mourning Songs about incapacity justice, interdependence and rejecting human disposability within the COVID period.
Music by Son Monarcas and David Celeste
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Kelly Hayes: Welcome to “Motion Memos,” a Truthout podcast about organizing, solidarity, and the work of creating change. I’m your host, author and organizer Kelly Hayes. At this time, we’re speaking about incapacity justice, interdependence, and why we should reject social norms that deal with disabled individuals as disposable. Whereas many individuals reside as if the pandemic is over, COVID-19 continues to kill a whole lot of individuals per day within the U.S., with the immunocompromised going through heightened dangers. We’re experiencing a world, mass disabling occasion, in addition to a heightened disregard for disabled lives. This can be a time after we needs to be taking motion to guard each other, by masking in public areas, demanding increased air flow requirements, and guaranteeing common entry to well being care. As an alternative, many individuals have been herded towards “normalcy,” at any price, although the world has essentially modified.
At this time’s visitor, Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha, creator of Care Work and The Future is Disabled, is a queer disabled non-binary author, performer, and neighborhood organizer whose work has helped many people acquire a better understanding of incapacity justice. However earlier than we dive into our dialogue of incapacity justice, I need to take a second to differentiate incapacity justice from incapacity rights work. As a result of whereas these ideas are associated, the excellence issues.
Incapacity rights organizers are likely to deal with securing equal rights and alternatives for disabled individuals. Many essential victories, just like the passage of the People with Disabilities Act, in 1990, and the preservation of the Reasonably priced Care Act, in 2017, have been gained by incapacity rights organizers. Incapacity justice, or DJ, is an anti-capitalist framework that acknowledges the interlocking oppressions disabled individuals face, on the idea of race, sexuality, gender and sophistication. As Leah writes in Care Work:
Incapacity justice is to the incapacity rights motion what the environmental justice motion is to the mainstream environmental motion. Incapacity justice facilities sick and disabled individuals of coloration, queer and trans disabled people of coloration, and everybody who’s marginalized in mainstream incapacity organizing.
For extra on the fundamentals of this framework, I like to recommend testing Sins Invalid’s “10 Principles of Disability Justice,” their e-book Skin, Tooth, and Bone: The Basis of Movement is Our People, and disabilityvisibilityproject.com. Leah explores and expounds upon these concepts of their books, whereas additionally grounding incapacity justice of their actual world experiences of activism, efficiency artwork and disaster. Leah’s writing in Care Work and The Future is Disabled, is so partaking. I particularly love that they report their very own audiobooks, as a result of after I hear, I really feel like I’ve a buddy at my facet, breaking down complicated matters for me — which has been particularly comforting through the pandemic. As two disabled organizers, we prolonged one another a number of grace, within the means of placing this episode collectively, as delays stored popping up on either side. Once we had been lastly capable of discuss, it was a pleasure to listen to Leah talk about their books and their fascinating life, and I hope you’ll all discover their insights as useful as I do.
Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha: So, telling individuals about my background and the way it’s that I ended up doing this wild and loopy shit is the $12 million query the place I’m like, “You bought eight hours?” However I feel the quick model I can say is that I’m a 47-year outdated combined race Burgher and Tamil Sri Lankan on my dad’s facet, and Irish and Ukrainian Roma on my mother’s facet, non-binary, femme particular person. And I’m second-generation disabled a minimum of, as a result of my mother is a polio survivor. And my dad… like, I imply, it’s a kind of Sri Lankan jokes we make, that’s not likely a joke the place we’re like, “Properly, the entire nation has complicated PTSD due to our 27-years civil conflict,” proper? And simply all of the implications of the conflict, colonization, migration for lots of us refugeehood that come out of that. And I grew up working class, lower-middle class in Worcester, Massachusetts, which I might say is the japanese fringe of the Rust Belt, proper?
Typically I’ll be like, “Oh, I’m from Worcester,” after which they’ll be like, “Western Mass?” and I’m like, “No, it’s very totally different within the faculty city space that I’m at present dwelling in.” So how I acquired into the work was, I might say being a younger brown, working-class, queer particular person, the disabled and neurodivergent youngster of two disabled and neurodivergent individuals, and in a household the place there was a number of violence. And I grew up, I related with political neighborhood. I left the U.S. to reside in Toronto for 10 years, and actually acquired deeply concerned with this political milieu that was concurrently radical Indigenous motion, radical Black and brown motion, very queer and trans, Black indigenous, and POC motion, and psychiatric survivor, and radical disabled people motion all within the context of being jail abolitionist in 1996.
And that work for me, that cultural milieu for me, actually fueled me being concerned in incapacity justice earlier than that was a phrase. And I’m actually doing a once-over-lightly however… So then, there’s 15, 20 years of being a younger survivor of coloration who can’t go to cops, so I get entangled in what we had been calling transporters justice work however which was like, “Okay, yeah, my brown, non-binary, ex-con ex is threatening to kill me. What do I do to save lots of my life?” As a result of I can’t use carceral techniques, proper?
I’m a younger, capital C Loopy survivor and I’m linking up with people who find themselves within the psychiatric survivor motion which is a time period used particularly in Canada, north of the faux border by individuals who have both skilled psychiatric institutionalization particularly or who’ve skilled circumstances which can be labeled as psychological sickness, preventing for human rights… For instance, pressured injectable drugging and being locked up is one thing that we’re pushing up towards and preventing towards, issues like that.
And being a author on the identical time from a extremely working class, no belief fund, you do it in your kitchen desk, queer feminist of coloration, custom and lineage. After which, quick ahead a bunch of years, I made a decision to maneuver again to Oakland, again to the States for the primary time in a decade to go to this wild and loopy factor referred to as graduate college which I used to be like, “What the fuck am I doing?”
However actually, I needed to go to Oakland and are available again to the States and be in Oakland queer and trans BIPOC neighborhood in that period. And amongst different issues, I used to be there proper when incapacity justice as a motion was only a couple years outdated, very a lot held by individuals like Patty Berne and Leroy Moore in Sins Invalid, which is the group that in some ways, I might say is the founding group of incapacity justice. And I for the primary time was capable of join with different revolutionary Black and brown, queer and trans disabled people who had been coming to incapacity and speaking about incapacity and organizing round incapacity from our Black and brown, queer and trans our bodies and experiences and lineages and being like, it’s not just a few white shit, it’s not just a few authorized shit, it’s about, “Oh, there’s a number of lead and toxins within the groundwater due to the place I grew up, and that’s why individuals are chronically sick.”
That’s about class and race and incapacity, proper? Or “Wow, let’s have a look at how half of the Black and grown people had been murdered by the cops are additionally disabled or deaf or neurodivergent,” and you can not finish police violence with out wanting on the methods through which racialized ableism works and kills us.
KH: We discuss loads on this present about mutual help. In each Care Work and The Future is Disabled, Leah discusses a number of the variations she’s noticed between disabled mutual help and mutual help tasks that aren’t organized by disabled individuals, and what we will be taught from these distinctions.
LLPH: I discuss in The Future is Disabled, my present e-book, I discuss being in Seattle through the pandemic and all of the methods through which I noticed disabled individuals in Seattle, and extra typically reaching to one another that appeared actually totally different than the native Seattle Mutual Support that I attempted to achieve out to the place I used to be like, “Hello, can I bounce in?” And so they had been like, “Oh yeah, we’re going grocery procuring as a result of the poor immunocompromised individuals, they’ll’t go to shops. Isn’t that terrible?” And I used to be like, “I’m immunocompromised. What do you get from me?”
And so they simply by no means acquired again to me, and I used to be like, “Oh, I’m speculated to be served. I’m not speculated to be an organizer.” Whereas, by way of, what is that this disabled mutual help? Within the e-book I discuss like… I may not have the ability to get to all of it now, however I used to be like, “Yeah, I see it. There’s six other ways this could look.” And one among them was disabled individuals did and proceed to do large organizing campaigns all through the pandemic for issues like vaccine fairness, and for issues like preventing towards what the NoBodyIsDisposable Coalition, I consider first coined as “ICUgenics.” There have been all of those legal guidelines that had been on the market and proposals and insurance policies going out in 2020 that had been proposing these triage techniques that had been like, “If these hospitals are overrun with COVID sufferers, and we solely have so many ventilators or docs or no matter, we’re going to triage who will get that primarily based on our evaluation or our understanding of who has a superb high quality of life.”
Alice Wong of the Incapacity Visibility Undertaking, she began the #HighRiskCA and was speaking loads about how… you realize, she’s like, I didn’t go away my home for a 12 months actually as a result of I’m on a ventilator. I’ve a trach. I’m extraordinarily high-risk if I get COVID, proper? And I’m visibly disabled, and it’s probably that if I’m going to the hospital with COVID, I may not get the primary crack at issues.
So, she organized massively as a result of California like many states had… For those who return to 2021, there have been all of those that will get the vaccines first, proper? And in some circumstances disabled individuals had been the entrance of the road, however in a number of circumstances we had been on the finish of the road. She was organizing campaigns and kicking ass and doing media work, and assembly with state reps to be like, “Change this. So we’re not ready till subsequent 12 months to get the vaccine.” And what I might say, is these fights for vaccine fairness, for entry to care, for COVID secure insurance policies, for masks mandates, — these are all types of mutual help. And I don’t assume they’re usually seen that manner outdoors of the disabled sphere, as a result of individuals had been like, “Oh no, it’s particular person acts of bringing individuals soup.” And I’m like, “No, it’s that too,” however additionally it is working collectively to combat for insurance policies that aren’t going to permit us to reside.
Creating instruments on a mass scale. I take into consideration what NobodyIsDisposable Coalition did the place they had been like, “We created a information for fats disabled elder people who’re susceptible to outlive COVID.” And by that they meant, if you happen to get COVID and also you go within the hospital, and also you’re susceptible to simply being put in a nook to die, listed below are some strategies that we’ve brainstormed you would possibly need to strive that… We’re similar to, “Shit, throw the whole lot at it’s if it really works.” To persuade the medical personnel of your humanity and your proper to reside so that you simply get these remedies, you get that ventilator. That’s mutual help. I might say additionally, that a number of mutual help that’s abled usually is like these large Google Docs, these 10,000 particular person networks, these large public acts, proper? And whereas with disabled mutual help, it’s much more low-key, and I witnessed it within the large acts that I’ve talked about of coverage of preventing for vaccine fairness and medical entry, and towards triage homicide and eugenics.
And likewise on the flip facet, a number of simply small scale, low-key, “Hey, how are you doing? You want something? I’m on the grocery retailer? You need me to choose one thing up?” Like social connection, not forgetting about one another, like reaching out to be like, “I’m simply fascinated about you. Let’s hang around and play a sport on Zoom,” which feels like nothing or no matter to some individuals, however there’s two issues in there. One, I feel a number of the time the place abled individuals or individuals who haven’t unpacked their ableism, try to do mutual help work. They only actually are available weapons blazing like, “We’ve acquired to repair this.” And we talked just a little bit earlier than we began recording about this incapacity justice precept we each use, that’s like, “Act earlier than it’s a disaster,” proper? And a lot of the time due to how ableism infiltrates the whole lot, individuals who haven’t unpacked their ableism see disaster, and so they go, “Oh my god, I acquired to repair it, I acquired to treatment it. I acquired to swoop in and be Captain Save a Crip, and repair the whole lot.”
Whereas disabled individuals, we all know we’re simply dwelling our little lives. Like, shit occurs on a regular basis. Our ailments are power and so are the circumstances we’re coping with, nonetheless we do much more low-key checking in earlier than earlier than shit will get unhealthy. I feel the TL;DR is abled mutual help usually views disabled individuals as an issue to be solved and stuck, and us as shoppers or sufferers to be served or cared for. And disabled mutual help sees us as brokers and as individuals who have expertise and presents to supply. And each go actually arduous by way of, “Let’s smash this regulation,” and actually low-key and day-after-day by way of like, “Yeah, I’m simply going to drop this meals off at your entrance door. And if you happen to’re not feeling verbal or social, you don’t even have to come back out, and also you positively don’t should be grateful.” That’s a few of it.
KH: In The Future is Disabled, Leah talks about how difficult it may be to debate interdependence with activists and organizers. In workshops and panel discussions, they usually discovered that folks both idealized interdependence as a conceptual cure-all, or flat out refused to consider that such dynamics had been potential. So why does interdependence really feel all however inevitable to some individuals, and wholly not possible to others?
LLPS: Interdependence is fantastic and it’s not straightforward for lots of people to entry, and that’s not simply because usually individuals are remoted, although that’s true. It’s additionally that for lots of us, now we have been taught that it’s not secure to ask for shit, as a result of individuals will look down on you as weak or lower than or different. Or I’m simply fascinated about individuals who grew up with a worry of CPS [Child Protective Services] or youngsters’s help coming into your own home. And if it’s too soiled, they’re not going to give you assist, they’re going to take you away from your loved ones, proper? Simply give one instance.
So, what I might say that by way of interdependence, it’s not so simple as simply, “Oh, simply name me if you happen to want something.” There’s a number of pre-work that must be accomplished the place you bought to determine what’s a small step that I can take to even be keen to be like, “Sure, I’ll settle for assist.” And what do you want for that to be secure, proper? I take into consideration how for years there have been issues that I might begin to ask for by way of mutual help and the therapy and a few assist. However a number of the issues that I wanted probably the most, which I’ll simply be actually actual. Like, when I’ve a flare of one among my power diseases, it may be actually arduous for me to do home tasks and maintain my home clear. And I’m a former home cleaner who’s the daughter of a working-class mother who’s like, “You’d kill your self earlier than you’ve gotten anybody clear your own home for you. You do this!”
And there’s additionally a number of class-based disgrace round, “Don’t let anybody see your own home be soiled.” So for years when individuals be like, “Oh, can I aid you?” I might simply sit there and be like, “I really want somebody to come back over and take the rubbish out, however I’ve acquired every kind of class- and race-based stuff occurring.” That’s like, “I’m not going to let anybody do this.” After which, I had this second the place an outdated buddy of mine who’s additionally working class Asian queer femme who had an analogous incapacity, I used to be like, “I’m tremendous, I don’t want something. It’ll be okay. I’ll do it in a few days.” She was like, “Bitch, I’m coming over and doing all your laundry.” And since we had related class and race shit and incapacity, I opened my mouth to inform her to not, after which I closed it.
And I used to be like, “Okay, you, I’ll present my soiled home.” And she or he didn’t disgrace me for it or our friendship didn’t get fucked up from that afterwards, proper? She wasn’t wanting down on me. I used to be capable of danger as a result of there was that belief that was there, proper? So, I feel, yeah, I imply, the nuts and bolts is like, you bought to consider what you want and what histories you’re bringing into the equation. There’s so many individuals who can socialize to simply all the time give and by no means obtain. And it’s very easy for us to try this. I imply, I’m considering particularly of Black and brown people, particularly girls and femme people who find themselves like, “Oh yeah, we’re the cleanup crew. We’re those who all the time come over and do the dishes. That’s our fucking lot in life, and up our price.” And this may increasingly appear actually valuable, however I’m like, no, truly you bought to consider what you are feeling comfy doing, what you are feeling comfy receiving, the place you need to develop it, what you want to develop it, what lineages you’re therapeutic.
I imply, so many people come from individuals who by no means acquired to be cared for. I might additionally say, I feel that individuals who romanticize interdependence, I simply need to say as a long-term disabled one who loves different disabled individuals and neurodivergent individuals caring for one another, individuals are in unhealthy moods generally. Lots of the time, particularly after we really want probably the most assist. Interdependence means doing shit that isn’t glamorous, that’s funky, that generally somebody wants care and they’re actually pissing you off.
And but, even people who find themselves actually annoying deserve to not sit in their very own shit, proper? So then it turns into actually fascinated about, okay, what a number of techniques can we design in order that we get what we’d like? And that you simply don’t should be fairly or well mannered or excellent or standard to get these wants met. And likewise, that perhaps don’t verbally abuse or in any other case abuse the people who find themselves serving to you out, which occurs generally, proper? And I all the time carry up Hand in Hand, which is I feel they’re now a totally separate venture, however they got here out of the Nationwide Home Staff Alliance. And it was this actually groundbreaking venture the place they’re like, “Let’s deliver collectively disabled people and residential care staff, private care staff,” proper? And there’s overlap. There’s lots of people who do private care and home cleansing and residential assist work who’re disabled.
I used to be a disabled home cleaner and traditionally, politically, we’re teams which have usually been at odds. It’s just a little identified reality outdoors of these two communities. However in a number of organizing for home staff getting minimal wage, day without work, trip pay, medical insurance, sick time, white incapacity rights organizations generally have organized towards that, as a result of they’re similar to, “We are able to’t afford to pay for that and we’re going to lose our care staff.” And that’s some racist bullshit. And additionally it is popping out of a spot the place crips are like, “We are able to barely get PCAs [personal care assistants] and now you need more cash, the federal government’s simply not going to pay for that.” And I’m like, I get that, however I nonetheless assume that making the calls for of the state and refusing and preventing like residence when the state claws again that cash and that funding is essential. However I additionally assume as radicals who’re attempting to dream one thing aside from the present shit present of empire that we reside in, we have to begin fascinated about, okay, within the good futures that we’re imagining and attempting like learn how to make, I would like there to be constructions the place all people will get care, and it’s not simply by your buddy group, so you would get that. I would like there to be a individuals’s disabled-led, racially and economically and ableistly simply system the place, “It doesn’t matter what, you might be by no means left alone to starve to dying and have nobody to alter your diapers, The place you get all of the care you want.”
And I’ll die on this hill, if we disinvest from the military-industrial complicated and take all that cash that at present is held by Amazon and the police state and militarism and empire, and put it into care, we will have that in a heartbeat. No downside. So, what do I would like individuals to know is that if you happen to stumble upon shit, [while] we try to do unpaid, interdependent mutual help and we’re burning out… It’s not you. It’s the truth that we do deserve greater than generally what our 4 mates can pull off or an entire neighborhood.
And I feel the response that I might say then is just not… “Properly, yeah, clearly interdependence is a lie and sucks.” However to be like, how can we useful resource this extra? The TL;DR is like, don’t romanticize it, it’ll suck generally, it will likely be lovely generally, it’s… It may be extremely pleasurable and it’s not all the time, and it nonetheless must get accomplished. And we will do loads, and we additionally do want one thing that could be a massive meta system that isn’t the state that may present care on a mass foundation that we don’t at present have.
KH: Within the spring of 2020, there have been a number of Google docs circulating amongst activists, and others, about learn how to survive the pandemic. From guides on learn how to make masks to the do’s and don’t’s of safer protesting, many people had been creating sources to assist individuals navigate a catastrophe that few of us had anticipated. Throughout that point, Leah created a Google doc referred to as “The Half Assed Disabled Prepper Tips for Preparing for a Coronavirus Quarantine” that many people latched onto. Previous to the pandemic, Leah already had present plans of motion for numerous catastrophe eventualities, as a result of, as a disabled particular person, they anticipated to be left behind by the system throughout a disaster. In a second when many individuals with out disabilities had been additionally feeling left behind by the system, Leah’s useful resource went viral.
LLPS: To begin with, I feel disabled individuals are prepping on a regular basis. All of us, whether or not we name it that or not. You’re a wheelchair person and also you’re all… The wheelchair customers I do know, the facility chair customers I do know, individuals with restricted mobility are all the time doing issues like, “Okay, what occurs with my treatment attendant simply doesn’t present up for her shift? Okay. Properly, I’ve acquired this yogurt container by the facet of the mattress, I can roll over and piss into it. Or that is how I can cap myself,” proper? There’s so many ways in which disabled individuals are all the time stockpiling meds or planning for, “Okay, if I’ve a panic assault or I throw my entire physique out in the course of this airline flight or this medical process, right here’s like…” We’re all the time considering three steps forward to what’s going to we do. I do know so many disabled individuals who as a lot as we will are all the time like, we acquired our stash of rice and beans, we acquired our stash of meds, we type of belief no one to a level, as a result of we truly know that we’ll be deserted.
So, we do prepping by determining, like, what are the medical and disabled provides, and psychological well being hacks for not fully shedding it in isolation that we have to prep for, if we’re snowed in or we will’t go away the home due to the wildfire or some type of shit, proper? I imply there’s that truism, which is that individuals who have fewer sources are extra ingenious and extra resourceful, and extra inventive with what now we have as a result of now we have to be, as a result of we will’t simply roll out and assume that we will do the fucking 300-yard sprint and have all the cash on the planet to purchase what we’d like. So by that token, disabled individuals are all the time being inventive and being like, “How are we going to outlive this? How are we going to outlive being deserted,” as a result of we’ve already been deserted again and again.
I imply, I feel that doc, I made it primarily for different disabled individuals who had been scared shitless, and as a part of a number of collective useful resource sharing and document-creating and tool-creating that was taking place in DJ neighborhood on the time. However then all of those abled individuals had been like, “Oh, shit. The crippleds know. Let’s examine this. Oh my god, you understand how to purify water?” And I used to be like, “Certainly, I do. Get a life straw. They’re $30. It will likely be good.” And I feel, by way of what’s taking place now the place it’s two, three years later, and all these abled individuals are similar to, see no evil, hear no evil, odor no evil, what pandemic? Let me simply reside in denial. Let me settle for what the federal government’s telling me in a manner that’s wild.
And I consider in coalition and community-based work, however there are methods the place I’m similar to, “Okay, disabled individuals more and more really feel so siloed, like we’re simply yelling and signing right into a void on Twitter and wherever being like, ‘Pandemic’s not begin over, have a look at these 3,000 individuals who died this week. Take a look at the charges, have a look at the wastewater.’” And everybody else is like, “la la la la la la la la la la,” not listening to us. And what I see popping out of that’s that three years later, I nonetheless see disabled individuals creating and sharing so many instruments about how can we survive this a part of the pandemic. I used to be speaking with my buddy Tina the opposite day and so they had been like, “Yeah, I could not have the ability to go into public house for the remainder of my life, or a minimum of till 2027 or one thing like that.” We’re nonetheless prepping however we’re now prepping for a eternally pandemic that the state is saying doesn’t exist.
I do know a number of disabled individuals, myself included, have actually been combating a number of despair and a number of actually, it’s a bleak fucking time. Particularly, I feel, within the components of the northern hemisphere which can be in winter proper now. It simply looks like, “Fuck, that is it. It’s by no means going to be over. We’re on this eternally.” And it may possibly really feel actually like, “What can we do? How can we even face down the enormity of all of the violence and eugenics that we’re in? The ableist, eugenics fascist second that we’re in?” And I feel that the instruments that I see individuals creating for like, “Right here’s how I get along with 4 of my mates.” There’s this COVID Secure for Cuties Instagram that simply began, particularly for high-risk people who need to date. And it’s all private advertisements which can be like, “You put on an N95 all over the place, too, nice? Do a PCR and are available over.” And I simply need to carry that up as a result of I feel there’s a number of hope in that, and it’s an actual particular disabled type of organizing… Incapacity justice type of organizing of beginning the place you might be. Whenever you’re assumed to not have the ability to do something, that you simply’re not an organizer, that your actions don’t matter, and doing actually concrete stuff to assist your self and your neighborhood survive.
And I’ll do a fast plug for this doc that me and my buddy Tina Zavitsanos have been engaged on, that we’re going to most likely drop this weekend that’s referred to as, “The Long COVID Winter Survival Guide.” And it comes out of us being like, we love digital house and we love Zoom, and likewise three years in, we’re actually feeling the consequences of not having the ability to be bodily along with different disabled individuals initially, and being pushed out of public house in an act of violence on the opposite. I simply need to let individuals know that will have dropped by the point this comes out. And one factor that I’ve been doing is like, being with different disabled individuals is maintaining me alive.
KH: Incapacity justice was a scorching subject, initially of the pandemic, largely as a result of individuals with out disabilities all of a sudden recognized with the issues of disabled individuals, and likewise valued their knowledge about learn how to keep secure and survive a disaster when your authorities leaves you to die. However as Leah talked about, within the lethal rush to revive normalcy within the U.S., and elsewhere, we’re experiencing an ever intensifying disregard for disabled lives. So our context has shifted, and we at the moment are speaking about incapacity justice at a time when reciprocal care and a refusal to desert different human beings have gotten more and more revolutionary concepts.
LLPS: So, I wrote this e-book The Future is Disabled throughout principally 2020, 2021 after which it comes out in 2022. And I felt bittersweet about it as a result of I used to be like, “Fuck, I’m documenting these moments in the course of Pandemic Calamity the place individuals arrange on large scales to take care of one another and maintain one another alive,” and it’s popping out at this second, like I’ve this e-book that’s referred to as The Future is Disabled, and I had not just a few disabled individuals say, “Yo, it doesn’t really feel like the longer term is disabled. It looks like sooner or later and within the current, we’re all being slaughtered.” And I used to be like, “God, I really feel like a dick for scripting this e-book and placing it on the market on this second. It feels difficult.” And as you stated, we’re staring down this second proper now the place a number of the hope that a number of us felt, the revolutionary hopes of 2020 and 2021, really feel actually dashed, and we simply have Biden being like, “What COVID?” The general public well being emergency is over, disabled individuals being anticipated to withdraw from society or simply die. The violence of borders, the fucking torture of prisons.
And also you had stated this factor in regards to the thought of reciprocal care is getting extra revolutionary. And what I take into consideration that’s I agree, and I feel that for me, it’s about reciprocal care, but it surely’s additionally about solidarity and having expectations of one another that we will’t simply abandon one another and use what privileges now we have to outlive the calamities that we’re in, proper? And what do I imply by that? I imply that one thing within the incapacity justice-verse that I really feel like I hear individuals discuss loads just lately is simply this sense of like, man, a number of abled BIPOC revolutionaries, you realize, it’s type of this sense of like, “Oh DJ, that’s so 2020.” There’s lots of people who had been hitting us up for incapacity justice data and trainings and workshops and whatnot in 2020 who in 2023 are having unmasked instances within the membership aplenty, and simply in-person gatherings with no COVID security. And are simply throwing out the whole lot we did for the final three years, as a result of they’re similar to, “Oh, it’s so miserable.” And siloing incapacity justice thinkers, organizers, individuals, and never together with our voices or listening to us or studying from us, or seeing us is essential.
And it’s actually been pissing me off. And I additionally perceive that internalized ableism is a hell of a drug, and within the face of simply this overwhelming dying parade, you realize lots of people are type of like cattle in a chute with the fucking electrical prods. They like, “All proper, I’ll simply maintain transferring ahead.” It’s actually arduous to face the enormity of what we’re in, and a few individuals can solely face it just a little bit. That may sound harsh. I don’t know. I imply, I suppose what I’m attempting to say is, I feel that it’s okay for us to have expectations and calls for of one another by way of solidarity. And that I’m actually heartened by abled organizers, or perhaps they’re not, however they’re individuals who I don’t see as figuring out as capital D disabled, who… like, I’m considering of the whole lot from, okay, The Click on Clack Membership, it’s a strip membership in Chicago, it’s a queer and trans BIPOC strip membership. And I comply with them on Instagram, and so they had been like, yeah, we listened to the calls for of the disabled organizers of the letter to the Chicago social gathering scene that got here out in 2022. That was a letter that got here from disabled individuals in Chicago who had been like, yo, we’re disabled queer and trans individuals, and we all know that you want to make a dwelling, however we’re seeing this factor occur in 2022, the place swiftly it’s “masks non-obligatory, however inspired.” However then in public queer and trans house, whether or not it’s social gathering house, or I might say additionally cultural house, political house, marches, there’s no asks a number of the time of, “Please put on a fucking masks, and we’ll provide you with one.” It’s like, “Oh, we will’t implement that, so no matter.” And that’s leading to disabled individuals simply being locked in our homes eternally or risking dying.
And the writers of the letter to the Chicago social gathering scene had been like, “That is what we’re asking. We’re asking you to be in solidarity.” And so they have this line, they’re like, “We don’t need to return to what was, we need to create one thing higher.” And The Click on Clack Membership was like, we nonetheless require everybody to put on masks, until you’re actively consuming or ingesting. And now we have good digital choices as a result of we all know that even with masking, some individuals are not in Chicago or even when they’re in Chicago, they’re like, “I don’t go into public house as a result of it’s not secure for me, danger sensible.” In order that they’re like, you possibly can see high-quality queer Black and brown sexual leisure within the secure consolation of your private home. And if you wish to exit, we wish everybody to masks for the good thing about the employees, the employees, the individuals we’re attending, all people.
And that shit provides me hope and it’s potential to do. We owe one another solidarity, we owe one another not going into amnesia. And if we’re going to survive the fascism that’s persevering with to extend, we’d like disabled ingenuity, all of us, each to outlive pandemics, and to truthfully outrun the fascists, proper?
My buddy and comrade Elliott Fukui, who works with Fireweed Collective and has his personal factor, madqueer.org, it has a number of actually good mad Asian, catastrophe and fascist survival sources, he’s all the time saying to me, “In Nazi Germany, one of many first acts of fascism that occurred was that oldsters of disabled youngsters had been advised, oh, it is best to give up your youngster for euthanasia.” And lots of people went together with it, and a number of leftists didn’t critique it, and it’s not that disabled individuals had been the one individuals being singled out. I’m not saying that, however I’m saying there’s a manner through which it was posited as like, oh, that is about well being, well being is impartial, that then did open the doorways for the genocide of oppression of Black Jewish, Roma, queers, socialist, all people, dissidents. And we’re in a fascist scorching conflict, so, if the left and communities at massive abandon disabled individuals, we’re not going to win towards it. We’re not. I imply, we’re going to maintain preventing to outlive, however we have to all be throwing down and never simply being like, “Oh, that’s too exhausting to consider. So I’m simply going to not.”
KH: In The Future is Disabled, Leah pays tribute to their buddy Stacey Park Milbern, a incapacity justice organizer who handed away in Might of 2020. As somebody who by no means acquired to know Stacey, I used to be grateful for the chance to be taught extra about her life and work. I additionally assume it’s essential that we do the type of preservational work that Leah and their co-strugglers have accomplished, to be sure that the teachings and legacy Stacey left behind are acknowledged and honored.
LLPS: So, Stacey Park Milbern of Beloved Reminiscence was born and died on Might nineteenth, which is similar birthday as Malcolm X, Yuri Kochiyama, and Ho Chi Minh. It’s a revolutionary Taurus birthday, and he or she was a working-class southern, combined race, Korean and white queer. My buddy Max calls her a vanguard organizer. She lived a revolutionary life. She was a cripple younger Republican, after which the web occurred and he or she linked up with different younger radical disabled individuals and began organizing as an adolescent. And she or he organized her whole life. And the issues that I would like individuals to find out about her as an organizer, was that she actually for actual rolled her roll, by way of the disabled individuals who had been probably the most written off as, oh, you’re not the Harvard-educated cripple that we’re going to take heed to, however you’re somebody who’s been institutionalized, perhaps you’re developmentally or intellectually disabled, you’re this and that, the place individuals are actually not listening to you. She all the time turned to probably the most marginalized and oppressed disabled individuals first and was like, “You’ve essential expertise and shit that we [need]… You’re a fucking a frontrunner, and I’m going to assist you in facilitating that management and believing in you.” She was a maestra of creating deep webs of friendship and kinship and connection whereas maintaining it actually fucking actual as a part of her organizing apply. She helped to arrange a number of the most badass disabled organizing, like that motion Energy to Stay when PG&E minimize off the facility with no discover in Oakland through the wildfires, and all people who wanted to maintain their insulin cool or cost their wheelchair was shit out of luck. And she or he organized with different individuals in a heartbeat to create a mutual help community the place there was simply networks of homes the place peoplestill had energy, the place individuals might plug in and folks had been data sharing about, “Right here’s the way you make a fucking fridge with dry ice within the clay pot in your yard.”
That got here out of her sensible and technical brilliance, and likewise, she actually believed in relationship-building for actual as what was going to make the motion work, as a result of we had to have the ability to construct belief with one another. And she or he knew that as disabled individuals, we regularly should work to beat our internalized ableism within the methods we’ve been separated from one another to have the ability to actually learn to love ourselves and one another, to have the ability to arrange successfully. She introduced a lot disabled pleasure activism to her work. Our relationship was grounded in meals and shit discuss. There was a lot good meals, there was a lot pleasure. There was a lot disabled sexuality and flirting in her life and in her work. And she or he wasn’t simply this good little Asian lady. She acquired infantilized loads, however she was an actual fucking courageous scrumptious badass. She was deeply non secular.
She was going to a Korean radical church, a jazz Black liberation fellowship church, and likewise doing conventional Korean Indigenous spirituality. And she or he leaned on that spirituality to do incapacity liberation, theologically led work. She believed that God made disabled individuals as we had been, and that we’re fucking excellent. And that religion, that perception in a creator that desires us to work in direction of liberation fueled a lot of her work, and carried her by a lot medical abuse and bullshit that she confronted. Yeah, she is nice. I really like her. I miss her each fucking day.
One of many acts of resistance that I feel is disabled individuals we do loads is to work towards erasure, as a result of this world needs us useless after we’re alive. After which after we die, they need to erase that we ever existed. As a result of it’s actually harmful to the state if individuals know there are disabled communities, histories, faculties of organizing, cultures, household teams, like all of that.
So one of many issues… I imply, I hate that we needed to do it, however initially, proper after she handed, me and Dolores Tejada and Moya Bailey and a pair different individuals, all of us had been like Stacey wrote large motion essays on Fb. And we had been like, “Fuck. Fb would possibly lock her account.” So we spent hours archiving, copying and pasting and archiving and saving all of her writing. After which Alice Wong of Incapacity Visibility Undertaking approached me… I feel it was Alice’s thought, she was like, “We should always accumulate, we must always make a syllabus that’s all the video and essays and poetry and anthology items that Stacey created.”
So we created the #StaceyTaughtUs Syllabus, which comes from… Stacey visited the Radical… I’m sorry, it’s very arduous to speak about… Radical Monarchs is a radical various lady scouts that folks could have heard of. And Stacey got here to speak to the younger individuals of Radical Monarchs loads. These younger, Black and brown people, about incapacity justice. And people youngsters, these radical Black and brown youngsters in Oakland created the hashtag #StaceyTaughtUs, and we used it with their permission.
So you possibly can take a look at the StaceyTaughtUs hashtag, it’s up on Incapacity Visibility Undertaking, it’s straightforward to seek out. And I simply need individuals to continue to learn from her work and never making her right into a plastic saint, however partaking her as an actual particular person, and I hate the time period thought chief, however she was such a fucking badass thought chief and innovator and grassroots mental and employee in creating DJ. And that’s why we wrote with one another for our entire 11 12 months friendship and comradeship. And that’s why I used to be like, I’m going to have some very lengthy quotes from Stacey on this e-book, so that folks can continue to learn from her work. And the very last thing I need to say is that Stacey actually organized arduous tactically and strategically.
There’s a motion story I take into consideration the place she was at this demo in Oakland, and he or she referred to as me and was like, “Oh my God, lady, it’s taking place.” And I’m like, “What?” And it was early in Trump when it was one of many first instances that Trump tried to kill DACA. And there was this large rally in March led by undocumented youngsters, younger individuals, and he or she was like, “Lady, it paid off. These 15 12 months olds are on the mic. And so they’re like, ‘Okay, we’re holding up the stage however we’re not going to mild it as a result of we all know some individuals have bronchial asthma. However we wish the drugs to be right here and we’re studying from Incapacity Justice and now we have all these chairs up entrance and we’re going to let the elders and everybody who walks slower to guide the march, as a result of if the revolution is just not accessible, it’s not the revolution.’” And she or he is like, “Lady, all these years of dialog paid off. The youth are okay. They get it.”
And she or he was all the time trying to the longer term.
And I’ll say too that by way of one thing I forgot to say earlier than about Incapacity Justice survivalism is that… I imply, now we have this story within the e-book the place in 2011 when Fukushima occurred, she had simply moved to Oakland and we had been like, “Fuck, this radiation. We’re all disabled, what can we do?” And she or he was like, “Properly, my plan was all the time if there was a catastrophe, however I used to be simply going to put down and die as a result of I assume I’m going to be deserted. I assumed that folks had been simply going to depart me in my energy chair within the mud and never put me on the bus as a result of it gained’t have a carry. And my shit runs out of battery energy in 48 hours.” However then we began having these crip catastrophe planning conferences on this spare room of the Arizmendi Bakery of San Pablo.
Shout out to our buddy Remedios who labored there, who was like, “Yeah, it’s wheelchair accessible, you need to use it.” And we had been similar to, “What if we began organizing mutual help round not dying, if there’s fascism or a radiation assault, no matter, an earthquake.” And we simply had shit like, “Okay. If communication goes down, we’re all going to fulfill at this one site visitors circle and we’re going to bury paper and markers in a plastic bag and we’re going to depart notes for one another and our cell telephones are down, and we’re going to determine, okay, we’ve acquired mates with two accessible vans. We’ll work out a manner of getting out of right here, not on the highways.”
And truthfully, 10 years later with COVID and with energy shut offs and wildfires, she was like, “Yeah, we began doing that 10 years in the past and we’re actually dwelling the apocalypse now. And we began doing it then.” So I might say to individuals listening like don’t assume, “Oh, she’s particular. I couldn’t do this.” You are able to do that out of the circumstances of your personal lives. You can begin now and also you don’t know the place it’s going to flower. Okay, that’s it. That’s my Stacey speech.
KH: The pandemic has been an period of loss, and likewise an period of change for many individuals. As somebody who was already disabled when the pandemic started, I’m now grappling with further medical points introduced on by lengthy COVID. Thousands and thousands of individuals are combating the impacts of lengthy COVID — together with signs which have left many individuals unable to work. Given the dimensions of the disaster, it’s not possible to speak about the way forward for incapacity justice with out additionally discussing the impacts of lengthy COVID.
LLPS: I feel that there’s an incredible quantity of badass organizing on the a part of individuals, like Lengthy COVID Justice and MEAction and large, large, large grassroots organizing the place everybody’s simply elevating hell, being like, the federal government’s deserted us. They don’t need to pay for this large quantity of… They don’t need to pay everybody’s SSDI [Social Security Disability Insurance], they don’t need to pay everybody’s medical payments, they don’t need to do shit. They don’t even need us to have eight free checks for come Might. They only need the wealthy to proceed to develop rich. And the query then turns into, by way of mass organizing on the a part of lengthy COVID havers and people who find themselves in solidarity with them, what are the actions that we will pull off, proper? And I’m actually heartened by seeing a number of people in [the] Lengthy COVID motion draw parallels to love, let’s have a look at AIDS activism, let’s have a look at the lengthy historical past of individuals with power fatigue, immune deficiency syndrome and ME [myalgic encephalomyelitis], preventing the federal government for years, and the medical-industrial complicated for years. And the data that we’ve additionally created round post-viral syndrome, pacing and having the ability to be in remission, not treatment.
However I feel the questions I’ve are… I imply, proper now it does really feel like we’re banging on a brick wall that doesn’t treatment, by way of screaming on the authorities. Like, the CDC is bullshit, Trump’s unhealthy, Biden’s not nice. I imply, when you’ve gotten the top of the CDC, I do know it’s been over a 12 months saying, oh, effectively, solely the chronically sick and disabled are actually affected by Omicron, in order that’s nice. What did she say, that’s very promising information? We all know that we’re preventing the forces of evil even when it’s a Democratic authorities. So then, I feel it turns into like, what are the strategic alliances that we will all do to yell and beat on that brick wall?
And what are also the choice establishments that we will construct individually, and might we seize cash and sources which can be on the market from totally different components of the motion to be like, let’s construct the individuals’s Lengthy COVID Therapeutic Heart. Let’s construct The Individuals’s SSDI, let’s construct The Individuals’s Assured Earnings Funds in native rural areas, municipalities, cities, et cetera.
And there’s different questions on some components, not all in any respect, not most of it, however there’s some components of lengthy COVID activism the place it’s very newly disabled individuals who don’t know that there’s lengthy histories of disabled activists, who’re like, “Wait, my physician’s not being good to me.” And it’s like, yeah, no, principally that’s true for many disabled individuals and most of the people basically. So I feel there must be a problem of the instances and the methods through which privilege dynamics pop up in Lengthy COVID organizing. And I feel a number of Lengthy COVID organizers who’re Black, brown, politically radical, et cetera, are doing that and are in management. And it must maintain taking place.
And I feel that we simply must begin to proceed to maintain gaming out methods like, what do our individuals want? And I feel that by way of the left writ massive, it’s a part of that radical reciprocity the place I feel some components of the left writ massive are like, yep, identical wrestle, identical combat. We have now to throw down. We have now to change our organizing, the methods we arrange, the tempo we arrange, our expectations, our calls for to centralize the fact of Lengthy COVID is all over the place. We are able to’t be shocked by it, and now we have to hitch in and make calls for. And I feel, a number of large motion areas are doing it, and a few of them aren’t. And that should shift.
KH: As we wrapped up our dialog, Leah had some phrases of perception and recommendation for people who find themselves feeling caught or discouraged, on this second.
LLPS: I need to ask the viewers to maneuver away from this being like, take into consideration… For those who’re frozen, if you happen to simply really feel caught, take into consideration what’s a manner that you could begin slowly wiggling — and never leap in direction of being on the barricades with a gun, however after we’re frozen, and the stakes are so excessive, it may possibly really feel like, fuck, I can’t get from being completely frozen to this, like, imagined large revolutionary wrestle that it feels just like the instances are calling for. However, what’s one step you are able to do? What’s one factor that you are able to do? What’s an motion you possibly can take? And if you begin transferring, you do the factor, then it may possibly embolden you to be like, “Okay, I can do one thing else.” And what do you want to have the ability to assist you in doing that work? That’s one factor.
And what’s on my coronary heart is related, which is that… I’m not the one particular person to say, we’re in an enormous grief disaster proper now, and issues aren’t good in Denmark. They’re not good right here. And I hear so many individuals discuss simply witnessing, simply seeing lots of people, you realize, shedding it, beginning to scream on the subway, going into psychological well being disaster, lashing out horizontally at one another, fully withdrawing, not trusting anyone, all of it. Lots of people have actually damaged hearts. Actually, actually damaged hearts. And I feel we… I maintain listening to from individuals again and again being like, “Everybody’s frozen. Everyone’s caught.” And but, the fascists are advancing each single unhealthy factor in the entire world. And I feel one thing that’s actually on my coronary heart is that a few of our work, and this performs into each query you’ve requested, must be how can we normalize grief and grief stewardship within the work we’re doing?
And lots of people are speaking about this. I’m not distinctive. Like Lenée A. Voss, who some individuals know is Dope Lady Contemporary on a number of platforms, she posted this lovely reel the opposite day the place she was like… I’m paraphrasing, however she was like, we have to get actually actual that we’re in the course of a large grief disaster, and we gotta get actual about it rapidly, as a result of it’s already reshaped human society and it’s about to essentially achieve this. And I used to be like, “Thanks. I wanted to listen to that.” I imply, I’m going to make it particular. So my mother died seven weeks in the past immediately, and previously month, 4 individuals who I share neighborhood with died, that I do know of. And all of their deaths have one thing to do with the present second, whether or not it’s Mira Bellwether who wrote Fucking Trans Ladies, she handed on Christmas, she had most cancers, however her associate has posted publicly on Twitter being like, right here’s her mind scan. Mira did have most cancers, she additionally had COVID, and right here’s the modifications that occurred to her vascular system and her veins and her arteries. She had a stroke and he or she couldn’t get good lengthy COVID therapy, and that most likely hastened her dying.
There’s lots of people who’re dying actually of damaged hearts. And I used to be simply mentioning this to somebody and so they had been like, “How the fuck are you continue to speaking and seeming type of okay?” And I used to be like, “I attain out to mates and discuss it earlier than it will get into disaster. I attain out to my mates and we cry collectively and we make room for it.” And I’m considering of one thing my buddy Audrey Huntley, who’s a combined Indigenous and white organizer with No Extra Silence in Toronto. She’s truly reviewing The Future is Disabled for Upping the Anti, which is that this lefty periodical in Canada that some individuals would possibly know.
And we had been simply speaking and he or she was like, clearly there’s a ton of Indigenous disabled individuals, however I’m seeing like, if you discuss in disabled communities, it’s the methods through which grief is just not a shock. Loss of life is just not a shock. And the way in which you maintain it’s by sitting there and never censoring one another about it and simply being like, “I’m going to be on this with you. I’m going to allow you to cry. I’m going to allow you to be bizarre. I’m going to not make you fairly it up.” She’s like, yeah, with No Extra Silence, we’re a lacking, murdered Indigenous girls, women, two-spirit and trans people group. We’ve been holding protests outdoors of Toronto Police Circus headquarters for 20 plus years, and it’s actually related. She’s like, we’re all the time coping with dying and loss and we maintain it collectively.
That’s why feasting is essential. That’s why being collectively is essential. She’s like, “I’m excited. I’m going to exit to Strawberry Ceremony,” which is that gathering in a pair weeks. And she or he’s like, yeah, we did it just about the final two years and we nonetheless are, however we simply actually wanted individuals to be collectively, with N95s on outdoors, as a result of, she’s like, what holds it’s neighborhood and is connecting safely and accessibly, and we maintain it collectively greater than we will maintain it on our personal, the enormity of this. And we don’t should tie it up neatly. We maintain the grief collectively and our hearts are capable of proceed that manner. And I simply really feel like no matter motion or neighborhood work we do going ahead, now we have to make an area for grief, actually on the desk and name on our useless and normalize exhibiting up crying in a gathering and never make individuals really feel like they’re messy or weak once they have that.
And likewise figuring out that everybody’s grief course of is totally different and a few individuals are going to be shut down or not wanting to speak about it, and that’s okay. However simply figuring out it’s there and it manifests in so many various methods and we can’t arrange the way in which we perhaps have accomplished previously the place the grief and dying was not so omnipresent.
So we ignore that at our peril and likewise not simply our personal peril, but it surely’s like that grief can be fueling fascism in that the fascists are creating good, joyful, easy solutions of like, what COVID? You’ll be able to simply ignore it. Let’s blame the whole lot on BIPOC, queer, trans, disabled, poor people, you realize, sluts. Let’s scapegoat individuals, and then you definately will be secure, and also you don’t have to concentrate to your grief. And a part of the work now we have to do is create house that speaks to that as a result of we’re creating room for grief and emotion, and we’re creating the brand new world out of that. Out of this loss.
KH: I actually respect the idea of grief as stewardship. I consider within the worth and significance of that stewardship, and I consider that abandoning that work harms our humanity. I feel lots of people are transferring by the world wounded, with their guard all the way in which up, and they’re leaning into normalcy, as a result of these moments within the pandemic once they couldn’t deny what was taking place, and so they needed to acknowledge that their world was altering, had been insufferable. So the phantasm of normalcy is less complicated, for some individuals, even when it has a large physique rely, and even when they’re destroying their well being by repeated infections by collaborating on this cycle. We have now a fantastic deal to be taught from incapacity justice organizers, who are sometimes masters of adaptation, about how we will construct a future predicated on inclusion and reciprocal care, moderately than a system that’s maintained by exclusion and disposability. I consider we will construct that future, but it surely gained’t occur if we comply with the edicts of the ruling class, throwing individuals away as wanted to keep up the norms of capitalism. To upend these norms, we’re going to want a degree of solidarity that the majority of us haven’t skilled in our lifetimes. A solidarity that’s grounded in care, reciprocity and a refusal to desert each other. If that sounds not possible proper now, I like to recommend following Leah’s recommendation, and asking your self, what’s one step you possibly can take immediately, or this week, to maneuver towards that world?
I need to thank Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha for taking the time to speak with me about their e-book, The Future is Disabled, which I hope you all will take a look at. Leah is a visionary thinker and I feel we might all use their voice in our lives.
I additionally need to thank our listeners for becoming a member of us immediately. And keep in mind, our greatest protection towards cynicism is to do good, and to keep in mind that the nice we do issues. Till subsequent time, I’ll see you within the streets.