Sexual Assault and Pay Disparity Spark “Me Too” Moment in Spanish Women’s Soccer

Spain’s nationwide prosecutor has introduced a felony investigation into Luis Rubiales, the top of Spain’s soccer federation, after he forcibly kissed Spanish soccer star Jenni Hermoso through the latest World Cup trophy ceremony. Hermoso filed a sexual assault grievance in opposition to Rubiales, who has been quickly suspended by soccer’s worldwide governing physique FIFA however has refused to step down voluntarily. No everlasting sanctions have been introduced. In the meantime, the remainder of the Spanish girls’s soccer league is on strike over pay and dealing situations after talks between federation management and the gamers’ union broke down. We have a look at what has develop into a #MeToo second in Spanish sports activities with Brenda Elsey, co-host of the feminist sports activities podcast Burn It All Down, who says institutional change is desperately wanted within the male-dominated world of soccer. “If that they had listened to girls for the final eight years, to the gamers, this wouldn’t have needed to occur, however they completely refused to make any adjustments,” Elsey says of FIFA, noting that widespread assist for Hermoso is bringing to gentle a “spectrum” of abuse and exploitation within the sport.


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AMY GOODMAN: Spanish state prosecutors have simply filed a grievance in opposition to the top of Spain’s soccer federation, Luis Rubiales, for sexual assault and coercion, after he forcibly kissed Spanish soccer star Jenni Hermoso through the award ceremony final month after the Spanish soccer group received the Ladies’s World Cup. Earlier this week, Jenni Hermoso filed a sexual assault felony grievance in opposition to Rubiales, who has been quickly suspended by FIFA. To date, Rubiales has rejected calls to resign. Protesters throughout Spain have taken to the streets to assist Hermoso.

ROSA SAN SEGUNDO: [translated] This can be a crime. That is clearly sexual harassment underneath Spanish regulation. And never solely underneath Spanish regulation, but additionally underneath European regulation, the Istanbul Conference, signed by Europe in 2011 and ratified by Spain in 2014, considers this as sexual abuse, and it’s a crime.

AMY GOODMAN: On Tuesday, the Spanish soccer federation appointed Montse Tomé to develop into the primary girl to function coach of the ladies’s nationwide soccer group. The announcement was made shortly after the federation fired coach Jorge Vilda, who had lengthy confronted criticism for his teaching fashion. Requires Vilda’s resignation grew after he expressed assist for Rubiales. Spanish soccer participant Verónica Boquete mentioned it has develop into a #MeToo second for the Spanish sports activities.

VERÓNICA BOQUETE: I feel it’s actually much like the #MeToo second. I actually assume that it’s going to assist to the change, as a result of the change is already there. It was already earlier than this World Cup and this incident. We’re in a second of a altering, and I feel that this may push us as a society slightly additional and slightly quicker.

AMY GOODMAN: Amid this rising scandal, girls soccer gamers in Spain have gone on strike in a dispute over pay, as calls develop for the top of Spain’s soccer federation to resign — once more, this within the midst of the sexual assault scandal. The strike started after talks broke down between the Spanish girls’s soccer league and the gamers’ union over pay and dealing situations. In response to the union, the minimal pay for girls soccer gamers in Spain is about $17,000 a 12 months, in comparison with about $192,000 a 12 months for male gamers. That is Dafne Fernández of the gamers’ union.

DAFNE FERNÁNDEZ: [translated] We have now now completed the assembly, and the league has not supplied a minimal that compensates the popularity that our gamers deserve. Due to this fact, there isn’t any settlement, and the strike continues to be on.

AMY GOODMAN: We’re additionally now joined by Brenda Elsey, a co-host of the feminist sportscast Burn It All Down and co-author of Futbolera: Ladies, Sports activities, and Sexuality in Latin America and editor of the ebook Soccer and the Boundaries of Historical past. She’s additionally a professor at Hofstra College.

Welcome again to Democracy Now!, Brenda. It’s nice to have you ever with us. Let’s begin with absolutely the prime information that was breaking as we went to air, that Spanish state prosecutors have accused Luis Rubiales of sexual assault and coercion for kissing a participant on the lips with out her consent on the World Cup victory ceremony. So, he’s now, apparently, going to be criminally charged, after Jenni Hermoso filed a felony grievance in opposition to him. However the world noticed what he did. Are you able to discuss concerning the significance of this second in Spain and around the globe?

BRENDA ELSEY: I can’t consider a second extra important, actually, in my lifetime. This has been unimaginable, and I’m actually really sorry that this has occurred to such a beautiful participant. Jenni Hermoso is a pillar of the ladies’s soccer group and recreation. Nevertheless, I’m additionally very heartened by how a lot consideration. This story simply received’t go away. And that’s as a result of it’s a part of this — as Verónica Boquete mentioned within the earlier a part of your section, it’s a part of an enormous downside that folks have recognized, that they’ve been engaged on, and it’s crystalized on this second. And as a lot because the Spanish federation needs to say, “We didn’t see what we noticed,” we noticed what we noticed.

AMY GOODMAN: Now, discuss concerning the significance of, effectively, all the pieces proper now. You have got the primary girl to teach the ladies’s soccer group. She had truly give up the group. She had been on the teaching employees, however she give up amongst a bunch of different folks on the ladies’s soccer employees over Coach Vilda and demanding an entire change in teaching, and now she has been introduced again to guide the group.

BRENDA ELSEY: It’s extremely important, and I feel it reveals two actually vital and thrilling adjustments and progress. And one is the group of ladies athletes as staff. The labor union has been large and key in persevering with to press this challenge with the federation, and in order that has been extremely vital.

And the opposite side to this, in fact, is that, look, I imply, the Spanish federation needs to make it possible for no structural adjustments actually occur. And so, this teaching is vital. It’s an vital change. Everybody knew it needed to occur. However they actually need to have an institutional shakeup, not solely within the Spanish federation, however in FIFA. And we all know this. So, I feel it’s vital to do not forget that, you recognize, it’s not insignificant that you simply change a coach. It is rather vital. However on the identical time, there must be impartial governing our bodies inside international soccer that may reply to those, like, widespread harassment, not solely of ladies, but additionally of youth gamers.

AMY GOODMAN: Spain’s appearing minister of tradition and sport, Miquel Iceta, has voiced his assist for Jenni Hermoso’s felony grievance in opposition to Rubiales. Final week, Iceta additionally known as — backed requires gender fairness and extra girls management in Spain’s soccer federation, saying the shift in tradition can be enforced underneath a brand new sporting regulation in Spain.

MIQUEL ICETA: [translated] It’s over. No extra discrimination for girls. No extra obstacles for girls in sport. It’s over. It’s over. And sadly, that occurred due to an incident that ought to not have taken place. We’re witnessing an actual social and sporting backlash, which is able to make this a greater nation.

AMY GOODMAN: And that is Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez. He’s appearing now.

PRIME MINISTER PEDRO SÁNCHEZ: [translated] It’s true that there was some habits — on this case, that of Mr. Rubiales — which reveals that in our nation there may be nonetheless an extended approach to go when it comes to equality and respect and the equalization of rights between men and women.

AMY GOODMAN: So, that is very fascinating. Even the prime minister can’t have him fired. And this has been the difficulty. I imply, they fired the coach, who supported Rubiales, although he had so many different points, however they couldn’t do away with Rubiales. And one other fascinating side of that is that in Spain, throughout the political spectrum, one thing like three-quarters of the inhabitants is demanding his ouster. And let me simply say, on this newest information of him being criminally charged, he faces one thing like one to 4 years in jail and a wonderful?

BRENDA ELSEY: Mm-hmm, yeah. I imply, there’s layers a paperwork right here when it comes to the place this soccer governance lies. And I might say it’s labyrinthine on goal: the concept, you recognize, the extra complicated it’s, the much less accountable folks might be. And so, it’s going to take efforts by folks outdoors of soccer to carry him accountable. And that has occurred additionally in locations like Argentina, the place in addition they went to the Ministry of Gender, and the felony courts in Colombia, the place the ladies minors on the U.S. — or, I’m sorry, on the Colombia girls’s nationwide group went to felony courtroom over a sexual assault inside the federation. So, this has occurred time and again. They should go outdoors of the constructions.

Rubiales can’t symbolize the Spanish federation at this level. He’s suspended by FIFA. But it surely might want to take the course of the investigation, in accordance with FIFA. You could possibly shrug your shoulders, but when anybody paid consideration since 2015, it’s — FIFA has discovered a approach to keep away from duty in lots of circumstances, each of corruption, embezzlement, and in addition when it comes to gender discrimination. So, these issues are tied collectively, I feel.

AMY GOODMAN: I imply, if you happen to can discuss concerning the federation first going after Jenni Hermoso, even threatening to sue her, accusing her of mendacity and defamation, now the federation making an attempt to distance itself as, you recognize, he’s about to be criminally charged?

BRENDA ELSEY: It’s simply stunning. They’re morally bankrupt. They’ve been for a very long time. If that they had listened to girls, you recognize, for the final eight years, to the gamers, this wouldn’t have needed to occur, however they completely refused to make any adjustments. And that is what has occurred.

The truth that they’ve patterns of abusive and bullying and, you recognize, absolute — there’s such patterns of abuse that you would be able to see, whether or not it’s “she mentioned/he mentioned,” whether or not it’s “You didn’t see what you thought you noticed,” all of this defaming her character. That is basic habits of predators past sport. And so, we are able to see this all play out. And it occurs daily to folks, and we don’t see it. However soccer gave us this window onto how abusers behave.

AMY GOODMAN: And if you happen to can discuss additional concerning the stage of abuse in opposition to girls soccer gamers, and even simply speaking about what we’re seeing now? As a substitute of them being in a stadium of tens of hundreds being celebrated, the ladies soccer gamers have chosen to not play, to go on strike, as a result of their minimal pay is $17,000 a 12 months, in comparison with male soccer gamers in Spain minimal pay is one thing like $192,000 a 12 months. The ladies are the soccer stars. They only received the World Cup.

BRENDA ELSEY: And I hate to inform you, however that’s in all probability one of many highest-paid salaries of a girls’s soccer participant on the planet. If you happen to have a look at the minimal wage of the NWSL in the US, additionally, you will discover it fairly stunning. So, it’s a pervasive downside. FIFPRO, the worldwide gamers’ union, got here out with a report proper earlier than the World Cup to doc all of the wage disparities which have gone on in international soccer. And it’s fairly stunning. I imply, a soccer star like Marta by no means was in a position to play in her house nation of Brazil, as a result of they’ve been unwilling to determine a worthwhile, regular girls’s league, although there’s the viewers there, in fact, and the expertise and the services and all the pieces.

So, it’s simply abject sexism, with sort of the argument of the federation about markets and issues like that. However we all know that they’ve truly engineered it to make it possible for that market doesn’t thrive, by doing issues like not promoting girls’s jerseys, by probably not creating sound contracts the place girls’s soccer might be seen. That pay disparity isn’t a surprise to me. However once more, it’s a part of this actually broad spectrum of neglect. It ranges from neglect to abuse of ladies’s soccer. I guess there was not one single federation on the Ladies’s World Cup this 12 months that might say that they have been really pleased with their federation and felt supported.

AMY GOODMAN: Earlier than we conclude, you talked about in a earlier reply that there are issues notably with younger gamers being abused. Clarify, Brenda Elsey.

BRENDA ELSEY: Effectively, there’s not many protections for minors. And we noticed with Jenni Hermoso, an extremely established participant, that there was no risk for consent on that platform. The best-ranking official in her sport in her nation was in a position to hurt her that method. And we now have youth divisions in each single federation, and so they have complained about harassment, abuse, labor abuse, whether or not it’s boys being housed in Brazil which have unsafe situations that result in fires and typically even deaths, like we noticed in Flamengo, or whether or not it’s, you recognize, underage women, minors, which have had sexual abuse, like within the case of Colombia. So, I see it as a extremely broad downside. I feel these Spanish girls are tremendously brave, and I feel that can profit all of this method, in the end, as long as we’re preserving these males’s ft to the hearth.

AMY GOODMAN: You talked about Colombia, Brenda.


AMY GOODMAN: Earlier this 12 months, you wrote concerning the disaster that’s embroiled the Colombian girls’s nationwide soccer group and the federation with a number of studies of sexual harassment and violence in opposition to girls and woman gamers. Are you able to speak about this earlier than we wrap?

BRENDA ELSEY: Yeah, sadly, regardless of how great the Colombian girls’s nationwide group performed, they haven’t been in a position to higher their situations. And Ramón Jesurún, who’s the top of the Colombian federation and in addition a vice chairman of FIFA — so, a part of the person who can be deciding on Rubiales — himself has been underneath investigation each for monetary improprieties, but additionally there have been convictions of coaches of the under-17 group, and but this particular person has stayed in energy. Not solely is he in energy, however he’s there to assist folks like Rubiales. So, the Colombian federation has very comparable points. What’s thrilling concerning the Spanish case is we’re seeing all types of solidarity actions all through the world, actually, for Jenni Hermoso. So I hope it may well translate into structural change now.

AMY GOODMAN: Effectively, I wish to thanks for being with us, and, in fact, we’ll proceed to comply with all of this. Brenda Elsey, co-host of the feminist sports activities podcast Burn It All Down and co-author of Futbolera: Ladies, Sports activities, and Sexuality in Latin America and editor of the ebook Soccer and the Boundaries of Historical past, additionally professor at Hofstra College, the place she’s co-director of the Latin American and Caribbean Research program.

And if you happen to haven’t left us, I simply should ask you one final query about Coco Gauff, if you happen to have been following what occurred on the US Open. You had the protesters delaying her recreation by 50 minutes, demanding an finish to fossil gasoline. Coco Gauff wins. She turns into the youngest to enter the finals, an African American tennis participant, youngest since Serena Williams like 21 years in the past. And in her closing feedback, she truly supported the protesters. She mentioned, even when it did jeopardize her and make her lose her focus, they have been peaceable, and she or he helps free speech.

BRENDA ELSEY: I used to be so thrilled. I can’t inform you how great it was to listen to her assist them. We will’t count on that from athletes on a regular basis, however when it occurs, it’s thrilling. And I feel it was so fascinating within the prime of your present, whether or not it’s Nazi — you recognize, preventing Nazi chants being mentioned or the rest, we’re seeing folks utilizing sports activities as a spot to debate and to protest and to battle, and I adore it.

AMY GOODMAN: Effectively, I wish to thanks a lot for being with us. Once more, Brenda Elsey of Hofstra College in Lengthy Island, co-host of the feminist podcast Burn It All Down.

Developing, we go to Mexico, the place the Supreme Courtroom has decriminalized abortion on the federal stage, and within the presidential race, the 2 prime contenders are each girls, so a girl will develop into the subsequent president of Mexico for the primary time in historical past. Stick with us.

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