John MacArthur Tells Ben Shapiro The Truth About Homosexuality

December 06, 2018Dec 06, 2018

Pastor John MacArthur and singer Lauren Daigle are both very well-known Christians in America. MacArthur is a leading Bible teacher at Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California, and president of The Master's College and Seminary; Daigle is a Grammy-nominated singer, recently appearing on The Ellen Degeneres Show.

But in the last week, the two gave very different answers about the same question, one that is marking where the rubber meets the road for Christians in America.

That singular, exceptionally divisive question: Is homosexuality a sin? That question will land you in hot water these days. If you say yes, especially as a public figure, you will be severely ostracized and called a "bigot," "hateful," and depending on the context (like as with Christian bakers), you could be fined and lose your business.

However, if you say no, you could, as Daigle recently did, alienate your following and worse, confuse those listening to you. You can read more about Daigle's "I don't know" answer to the question of homosexuality being a sin here.

Thankfully, MacArthur chose the former on his recent interview with Orthodox Jew and conservative news host Ben Shapiro. When asked about some of the culturally offensive parts of the Bible, MacArthur answered without intimidation: There's "no getting around" that homosexuality is a sin. But he also quickly clarified that it's not the chief sin, saying it's “not some kind of sin that leads the parade and is separated by light years from all other sins.”

“That is a sin to which humanity is susceptible, and some people have more strong desires in regards to that sin than other people do,” MacArthur further explained about why some people have same-sex attraction.

MarArthur quite famously said last year that "no one is gay," meaning he feels the problem with the homosexuality movement is that people are being deceived when they take on the identity of their sin.

"People commit adultery, they commit sins of homosexuality, they lie, they steal, they cheat ... That's like saying, 'You know, I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. I'm a bank robber. What am I going to do? I'm a bank robber,'" said the bold pastor.

He added, "That is not an excuse for what you do. Are there certain kind of impulses that lead people in that direction? Yes. But I think one of the really deadly aspects of this is to let people define themselves as gay."

Now, we all know that those kinds of comments are exceptionally offensive to our current PC culture. But MacArthur doesn't care. Not only that, he feels that if Christianity isn't offensive, then it's not real Christianity.

“The whole purpose of the Christian message is to confront the sinner’s sin so you can call the sinner to repentance and forgiveness,” MacArthur told Shapiro. “The sinner doesn’t like that.”

“That is my initial goal: To tell you that you are without God in the world, that there’s only one Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, that you’re in sin, that sin brings death and punishment, but the good news is that Jesus Christ is the Savior who has provided a way for you to be forgiven by buying your sins with His body on the tree,” he explained.

“I offend people all the time because that’s necessary,” MacArthur added. “If you try to develop a kind of Christianity that’s inoffensive, that’s not Christianity, it’s not the Gospel.”

The entire interview is fabulous, if you have the time to watch it. MacArthur and Shapiro cover topics like Trump's moral authority, the difference between Judaism and Christianity, as well as why society has gone bad.

What do you think of MacArthur's strong words about the "offensive" messages in the Bible? What do you think of his boldness, especially in comparison to Daigle's response about homosexuality? Share your thoughts in the comments! Thank you!